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Jun. 24th, 2008 @ 06:09 pm
Just out of curiosity, do you consider Proto-Indo-European Religion to be a form of reconstructionism in the same way that Asatru or Celtic Reconstructionism are?

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From:erynn999
Date:June 25th, 2008 01:51 am (UTC)
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Not as such, because it doesn't relate to a particular culture or even a single group of closely-related cultures (i.e. "Norse" or "Celtic"). There are so many differences in the spectrum between India and Ireland, between Norway and Naples, that to try to derive one coherent practice from it really doesn't make any sense to me. At best it serves as a comparative backdrop for understanding gaps and missing links in particular cultural contexts.
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From:spottedtoad
Date:June 25th, 2008 03:12 am (UTC)
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Just to be accurate, Cei is attempting to recreate Proto-Indo-European practices.
From:saturn_returned
Date:June 25th, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
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You are right. My mistake. I have edited my post accordingly.
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From:erynn999
Date:June 25th, 2008 04:20 am (UTC)
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It still doesn't really seem to make that much sense. Which exact culture was "proto-Indo-European"? Where were they located? Did they all worship the same deities and spirits?
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From:wire_mother
Date:June 25th, 2008 05:19 am (UTC)
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well, it was a particular cultural/linguistic group. there's even some consensus on where it was probably located (just north of the Black Sea, an area later known as Sarmatia), and some good archaeology to back that up.

as for worshiping the "same" deities, even the Celtic (and Germano-Scandinavian, i think) peoples didn't do that, on the whole (and the Greeks had a lot of different names for the "same" gods, which may indicate that similar gods were ultimately conflated as the culture became more closely tied together - or even that the people who were writing things down made the unilateral decision that different, but similar, gods were the "same" ones). not to mention the thorny theological problem of what it means to be worshiping the "same" god (or a "different" one, for that matter).
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From:nantonos
Date:June 30th, 2008 11:50 pm (UTC)
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wire_mother, good points. Actually you said what I was just about to, so I will just append agreement.
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From:wire_mother
Date:June 25th, 2008 05:03 am (UTC)
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not in the same way, because the cultural and linguistic aspects have to be reconstructed as well. however, it is certainly reconstructionist religion. it's also valuable for those involved in reconstructing other IE polytheist religions (so long as one remembers that, despite the similarities, there are differences between PIE and its later descendant cultures).
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From:erynn999
Date:June 25th, 2008 07:02 am (UTC)
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I guess that's where I'm mostly going with this, with a pinch of kneejerk about ADF and their one size fits all liturgy for all IE cultures.
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From:madrun
Date:June 25th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
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I would really, really like to discuss your thoughts about this!!! Off-list?
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From:alderwounds
Date:July 4th, 2008 09:00 am (UTC)
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There would be such a massive amount of guesswork and speculation involved here that I wouldn't even approach this.

Regarding Germanic gods, major deities such as Odin/Woden and Thor/Donar are easily recognizable throughout the history of the Germanic peoples. Obviously, there were a lot of localized practices going on but there seems to have been a large amount of cultural uniformity as well.